Rufo entered conservative politics, in concept, via a defense of classical liberal principles, and vestiges of his moderation remain. Certain topics, he says, aren’t strategically useful.

Christopher Rufo: It’s good to be with you. Douthat: Thanks so much for being here. So, I imagine that a big part of our audience first heard of you around the same time that they first heard ...

Rufo: I think that’s what we’re cobbling together at New College of Florida. I think it’s also what some of the reforms in Florida have been designed to do in the other state universities.